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Poll after poll, most Dems don’t want Biden, no midterm red wave not because of Biden? part 1

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Poll after poll, most Dems don’t want Biden, no midterm red wave not because of Biden? part 1

Reporter Confronts KJP With NBC Poll: 48% Say Biden Not Honest, 54% Question Mental/Physical Health

In February 2023, a reporter challenged White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre’s claim that Biden played a role in Democrats’ midterm success by citing devastating NBC polling data. “I think you made the assertion that the reason that there wasn’t a red wave or the reason that the elections in the midterm were more successful than many people thought they would be for Democrats is because of the president. Is that that’s a fair… Yeah, and we’ve said that before it’s not that it’s nothing new. We think the president played a very big role in laying out the message for Democrats,” KJP said. The reporter then laid out devastating specifics: “I wonder how in light of the following poll you can make that assertion. This is a recent NBC poll. Is Biden honest and trustworthy? 34% yes, 48% no. Ability to handle a crisis? 32% yes, 49% no. Competent and effective? 31% yes, 49% no. Has the necessary mental and physical health to be president? 28% yes, 54% no. Uniting the country? 23% yes, 50% no.”

The KJP Assertion Challenged

The assertion:

Biden role — In midterms.

Message laid out — For Democrats.

“Very big role” — Claimed.

Credit taken — For performance.

Standard line — From administration.

KJP’s claim that Biden played “very big role” in midterm Democratic performance was standard administration line. This narrative took credit for Democratic better-than-expected midterm results and linked them to Biden personally.

”Is That a Fair” — The Reporter’s Framing

Fair framing:

Clarification — Sought.

KJP confirmation — Obtained.

Trap — Laid.

Logical structure — Building.

Accountability — Prepared.

The reporter’s “is that a fair” framing was strategic. By getting KJP to confirm her claim explicitly, the reporter built logical structure for challenge. KJP’s yes locked her into position that would be challenged.

”We’ve Said That Before”

KJP’s confirmation:

“We’ve said” — Administrative position.

“Not that new” — Establishment.

Standard line — Acknowledged.

Position — Maintained.

Trap — Walked into.

By confirming this was established position, KJP locked herself into claim that would be challenged. The reporter now could contrast claim with polling reality.

The NBC Poll Devastating Numbers

Poll numbers:

Honest/trustworthy — 34% yes, 48% no.

Handle crisis — 32% yes, 49% no.

Competent/effective — 31% yes, 49% no.

Mental/physical health — 28% yes, 54% no.

Uniting country — 23% yes, 50% no.

Every single question showed net negative results. No area had majority approval. All had substantial majorities or pluralities expressing doubts. This was devastating across all dimensions.

The Honesty/Trustworthiness Deficit

Honesty deficit:

34% yes — Minority.

48% no — Plurality.

-14 net — Negative.

Key attribute — For president.

Character dimension — Affected.

The honesty/trustworthiness numbers were concerning political reality. President needed trust to lead. 48% saying no with only 34% yes was substantial deficit on key attribute.

The Crisis Management Numbers

Crisis numbers:

32% yes — Can handle.

49% no — Cannot.

-17 net — Negative.

Executive function — Questioned.

Competence — Doubted.

Ability to handle crisis is core presidential function. Majority saying Biden couldn’t handle crisis was concerning doubt about executive competence. -17 net was substantial gap.

The Competence/Effectiveness Doubts

Competence doubts:

31% yes — Effective.

49% no — Not.

-18 net — Negative.

Performance rating — Low.

Administrative — Concerning.

Competence and effectiveness ratings directly affected perception of administration performance. 31% yes vs. 49% no was substantial gap on fundamental executive competence.

The Mental/Physical Health Concerns

Health concerns:

28% yes — Has capacity.

54% no — Doesn’t have.

-26 net — Worst.

Age implications — Clear.

Fundamental — Question.

The mental/physical health numbers were worst of all. Only 28% thought Biden had necessary mental and physical health for presidency. 54% majority said no. This was fundamental capacity question.

The Age Concern Specifically

Age specifically:

Biden 80 — Already oldest.

Visible aging — Sometimes.

Cognitive concerns — Voiced.

Physical concerns — Present.

Voter perception — Real.

The age concerns underlying health numbers were legitimate. Biden was oldest ever president at 80. Voters were expressing perceptions about cognitive and physical capacity. These weren’t manufactured concerns.

The Country Unity Failure

Unity numbers:

23% yes — Uniting.

50% no — Not.

-27 net — Second worst.

Biden promise — Unfulfilled.

Polarization — Continuing.

Biden had run on uniting the country. 23% thought he was succeeding while 50% said not. This was fundamental failure on campaign promise. Polarization had continued under Biden.

The Poll Methodology

Methodology:

NBC News — Major outlet.

Polling firm — Hart/McInturff.

Large sample — Typical.

Professional methodology — Standard.

Reputable — Poll.

NBC News/Hart-McInturff polling was reputable and methodologically sound. This wasn’t partisan poll or outlier. Standard professional polling with large sample produced these results.

The Underlying Pattern

Pattern:

All categories negative — Uniformly.

No bright spots — Visible.

Comprehensive — Problem.

Broad doubts — Across dimensions.

Concerning — For reelection.

The uniform negativity across all measured categories suggested comprehensive political problem rather than isolated issue. All dimensions showed doubt. This was systemic rather than narrow challenge.

The Administration’s Dilemma

Dilemma:

Take credit — For midterms.

Explain polling — Simultaneously.

Logical tension — Clear.

Political messaging — Complicated.

Not sustainable — Long-term.

The administration’s dilemma: if Biden was popular enough to drive midterm success, why did polling show these devastating numbers? The logical tension was clear. Both couldn’t be entirely true simultaneously.

The Midterms Alternative Explanation

Alternative explanations:

Republican candidates — Weak.

Abortion issue — Mobilized.

Trump effect — Hurt GOP.

Ticket-splitting — Common.

Biden credit — Overstated.

Better explanations for Democratic midterm performance existed. Weak Republican candidates in key Senate races, abortion issue mobilization after Dobbs, Trump continuing drag on GOP, and ticket-splitting all mattered more than Biden personal appeal.

The Dobbs Effect

Dobbs:

Abortion ruling — June 2022.

Democratic energy — Surge.

Women voters — Motivated.

Referenda — All Democratic.

Major factor — Undeniable.

The Dobbs ruling overturning Roe v. Wade in June 2022 energized Democratic base, motivated women voters, produced pro-choice referenda victories. This was major midterm factor Independent of Biden.

The Candidate Quality Factor

Candidate quality:

Trump endorsements — Often weak.

Herschel Walker — Georgia.

Dr. Oz — Pennsylvania.

Blake Masters — Arizona.

Kari Lake — Arizona.

Weak Republican Senate and gubernatorial candidates in key battlegrounds, many Trump-endorsed, significantly affected outcomes. This candidate quality factor was independent of Biden’s role.

The Ticket-Splitting Evidence

Ticket splitting:

Governors — Democratic winners.

Senators — Democratic winners.

Biden approval low — Locally.

Split tickets — Common.

Individual appeal — Mattered.

Evidence of substantial ticket-splitting showed voters choosing Democratic candidates despite Biden concerns. Individual candidate appeal mattered in ways that complicated Biden credit narrative.

The Reporter’s Construction

Construction:

Claim elicited — Strategic.

Data presented — Devastating.

Contradiction — Clear.

Logic forced — Uncomfortable.

Professional — Masterful.

The reporter’s construction was masterful — getting KJP to confirm claim, then presenting data that made claim untenable. This was professional cross-examination at briefing level.

The Administration Response Challenge

Response challenge:

Data devastating — Objectively.

Counter-narrative — Difficult.

Spin available — Limited.

Credibility — At stake.

Difficult — Position.

The administration response to such comprehensive negative polling was challenging. Counter-narratives were limited. Available spin was ineffective against the specific numbers. Credibility was at stake.

The 2024 Electoral Implications

Electoral implications:

Reelection harder — With these numbers.

Base concerns — Justified.

Alternative consideration — Valid.

Campaign challenge — Real.

Party discussion — Warranted.

The 2024 electoral implications of these numbers were significant. Reelection would be harder. Base concerns were justified by data. Alternative consideration was valid. Campaign challenges were real. Party-wide discussion was warranted.

The Democratic Strategy Questions

Strategy questions:

Biden path — Narrow.

Alternative path — Risky.

Unity — Value.

Electability — Concern.

Difficult — Choices.

Democratic strategy faced difficult questions. Biden path to reelection was narrow. Alternative candidate path was risky. Party unity had value. Electability concern was real. All options had costs.

The Substantive Response Unavailable

Response unavailable:

Numbers cited accurately — Yes.

Counter-argument — Hard.

Administrative framing — Limited.

Polling dismissal — Transparent.

Honest engagement — Required.

Honest engagement with the polling numbers was required but difficult. Counter-argument was hard to construct. Administrative framing was limited. Polling dismissal was transparent ploy. No easy response existed.

The Template Responses Anticipated

Anticipated templates:

Delivering for Americans — Possible.

Focus on record — Likely.

Polling dismissal — Possible.

Time extension — Standard.

Circular — Not responsive.

Template responses like “delivering for Americans” or record-based arguments would be anticipated but unresponsive to specific polling concerns. Polling dismissal would be transparent. All were circular rather than directly responsive.

The Part 1 Format Note

Part 1:

Exchange continuing — In subsequent segment.

Response coming — Next video.

Build-up — Strategic.

Engagement continued — Over multiple parts.

Pattern — For coverage.

The “part 1” in title suggested exchange continued in subsequent video. The reporter’s devastating data presentation would be followed by KJP response in part 2. This was substantive multi-part exchange.

The Broader Democratic Context

Broader context:

Party unity — Tested.

Base loyalty — Important.

Leadership questions — Real.

2024 preparation — Ongoing.

Strategic decisions — Approaching.

The broader Democratic context involved party unity being tested by polling realities, base loyalty important for success, leadership questions real, 2024 preparation ongoing, and strategic decisions approaching on candidate selection.

The Historical Perspective

Historical perspective:

Presidential polls — Often negative.

Recovery possible — Historically.

Campaign effects — Substantial.

Specific combinations — Matter.

Biden situation — Unusual.

Historical presidential polling showed often negative periods with possible recovery. Campaign effects could substantially change numbers. But specific combination of Biden’s low numbers across all dimensions was somewhat unusual in pattern.

The Pattern of Accumulating Difficulty

Difficulty pattern:

Polling persistent — Negative.

Events compound — Problems.

Classified docs — Added.

Age concerns — Continued.

Strategic response — Limited.

The pattern of accumulating difficulty showed persistent negative polling, compounding events, added classified documents scandal, continuing age concerns. Strategic response options were limited.

Key Takeaways

  • A reporter confronted KJP’s claim that Biden drove midterm Democratic success with devastating NBC polling data.
  • KJP confirmed: “We think the president played a very big role in laying out the message for Democrats.”
  • The reporter cited NBC poll honesty/trustworthy numbers: 34% yes, 48% no.
  • Crisis handling: 32% yes, 49% no.
  • Competent/effective: 31% yes, 49% no.
  • Mental/physical health to be president: 28% yes, 54% no — worst numbers.
  • Uniting country: 23% yes, 50% no.
  • All dimensions showed substantial negative majorities, raising question of how Biden credit for midterm success was consistent with devastating polling.

Transcript Highlights

The following is transcribed from the video audio (unverified — AI-generated from audio).

  • I think you made the assertion that the reason that there wasn’t a red wave or the reason that the elections in the midterm were more successful than many people thought they would be for Democrats is because of the president. Is that a fair…
  • Yeah, and we’ve said that before it’s not that it’s nothing new. We think we we think the president played a very big role in laying out the message for Democrats.
  • I wonder how in light of the following poll you can make that assertion.
  • This is a recent NBC poll. Is Biden honest and trustworthy? 34% yes, 48% no.
  • Competent and effective? 31% yes, 49% no. Has the necessary mental and physical health to be president? 28% yes, 54% no.
  • Uniting the country? 23% yes, 50% no.

Full transcript: 143 words transcribed via Whisper AI.

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