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KJP Completely Ignores Masking In School Questions: “They’re The Experts! They Use Science”
On September 6, 2023, Fox News correspondent Jacqui Heinrich pressed White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre on whether CDC guidance recommending universal indoor masking for children in schools was supported by the agency’s own research. Heinrich cited a detailed review published in The Atlantic that found no evidence justifying ongoing mask mandates for the “very-low-risk pediatric population.” Jean-Pierre’s response was to refuse to engage with the evidence, instead repeating that the CDC were “the experts” who “use science” — without explaining what that science showed or why it contradicted independent analysis of the CDC’s own cited studies.
The Question
Heinrich’s question was specific and well-sourced. She noted that as children returned to school for the fall semester, the CDC still recommended universal indoor masking for students and staff. She then cited a review article from The Atlantic that had examined the CDC’s evidence base.
“We reviewed a variety of studies — some conducted by the CDC itself, some cited by the CDC as evidence of masking effectiveness in a school setting — to try to find evidence that would justify the CDC’s no-end-in-sight mask guidance for the very-low-risk pediatric population, particularly post-vaccination,” the article stated. “We came up empty-handed.”
Heinrich then connected the question to the administration’s upcoming request to Congress for additional COVID funding: “Especially with the President going to Congress to ask for more money for a new vaccine and more money for the CDC, should we keep funding these studies if the CDC is not making guidance that follows the results of those studies?”
The question was constructed to put Jean-Pierre in a difficult position. If the CDC’s own research did not support its masking guidance for children, then either the guidance was not evidence-based or the research was being ignored. Either answer was problematic for an administration that had made “following the science” the centerpiece of its pandemic messaging.
Jean-Pierre’s Non-Answer
Rather than address the substance of Heinrich’s question, Jean-Pierre immediately deflected to an attack on the previous administration: “We did something that the last administration was incapable of doing, which is putting forth a strategy to really, truly deal with… We are in a different place than we were two, three years ago.”
The pivot to blaming Trump was a standard Jean-Pierre maneuver, but it was particularly jarring in this context. Heinrich was not asking about the Trump administration’s pandemic response. She was asking about current CDC guidance in September 2023 — more than two and a half years into the Biden presidency — and whether that guidance was supported by evidence. The Trump deflection was a complete non sequitur.
When Heinrich pressed again — “Do we know what works though? The CDC does not seem to be responding to the data” — Jean-Pierre fell back on her most reliable defense: an appeal to authority.
“CDC — they’re the experts. They’re — they use science to come to — to come forward with their guidelines. And it is important that we allow them to do their work,” Jean-Pierre said. “I know you’re asking me about data, but all you got to do is look at where we are as a country.”
The statement “I know you’re asking me about data” was a remarkable admission. Jean-Pierre was acknowledging that the reporter was asking about evidence while simultaneously declining to address the evidence. Her alternative — “look at where we are as a country” — was vague enough to mean anything and specific enough to mean nothing.
The “Guidelines, Not Mandates” Retreat
As Heinrich continued pressing, noting that only 16 states closely followed CDC school masking guidance while nine states had outright banned school mask mandates, Jean-Pierre shifted to a new defensive position: the CDC’s recommendations were guidelines, not mandates.
“Here’s the thing, these are guidelines by CDC. These are not mandates,” Jean-Pierre said. “These are guidelines — what they recommend, what they believe would work… And it is up to local officials and local leaders to decide how they want to move forward.”
This was a significant rhetorical retreat. For the better part of two years, the Biden administration had treated CDC guidance as authoritative and had criticized states that deviated from it. When Florida Governor Ron DeSantis lifted mask mandates in schools, the White House had publicly condemned the decision. When Texas and other states relaxed masking requirements, the administration had warned of public health consequences.
Now, when confronted with evidence that the CDC’s school masking guidance lacked scientific support, Jean-Pierre recharacterized it as merely a suggestion that local leaders could take or leave. The shift from “follow the CDC” to “these are just guidelines” happened in the space of a single briefing exchange, driven by the inconvenience of the evidence being presented.
The “Follow the Science” Problem
The exchange exposed a fundamental tension in the Biden administration’s pandemic messaging. “Follow the science” had been a defining slogan of Biden’s campaign and presidency. It was used to differentiate his approach from Trump’s, to justify masking requirements, to promote vaccination campaigns, and to defend school closures.
But “follow the science” only worked as a messaging strategy when the science supported the administration’s preferred policies. When The Atlantic — not a conservative outlet — published a detailed review showing that the CDC’s own evidence did not support its school masking guidance, the administration was left with a choice: acknowledge the evidence and update the guidance, or ignore the evidence and continue invoking “science” as an abstraction.
Jean-Pierre chose the latter. Her insistence that the CDC “use science” was presented as though the mere existence of the CDC was sufficient proof that its guidance was evidence-based. She did not engage with the specific studies Heinrich cited. She did not explain what evidence the CDC was relying on. She did not acknowledge that the agency’s guidance might need updating. She simply repeated that the CDC were “the experts” and moved on.
The Mask Hypocrisy Context
The timing of this exchange made it particularly pointed. Just the day before, Biden himself had removed his mask during the Medal of Honor ceremony despite being on a COVID protocol as a close contact of the First Lady, who had tested positive. Jean-Pierre had spent the first part of the September 6 briefing explaining that Biden removed his mask to deliver “incredibly powerful remarks” — a defense that itself undermined the CDC’s guidance that close contacts should mask whenever indoors around others.
Heinrich’s pivot from Biden’s personal masking inconsistency to the broader question of CDC school masking guidance was deliberate. If the President of the United States could remove his mask for the purpose of giving a speech, why were children being told they needed to wear masks all day in school? If the CDC’s own research did not support school masking, why was the guidance still in place? These questions were logically connected, and Jean-Pierre’s inability to answer either one reinforced the perception that the administration’s masking policies were driven by institutional inertia rather than evidence.
The Abrupt Ending
As Heinrich continued pressing, Jean-Pierre cut the exchange short. “Oh, we — oh, okay. All right. We’ve got to go. We’ve got to go. Sorry, guys,” she said, ending the briefing.
“Catch you next time,” a reporter called out.
“Next time,” Jean-Pierre replied.
The hasty exit was characteristic of Jean-Pierre’s approach to briefings where the questions became too specific to deflect with talking points. Rather than continue the exchange and risk further contradictions, she terminated it entirely.
Key Takeaways
- On September 6, 2023, Jacqui Heinrich asked KJP whether CDC school masking guidance was supported by evidence, citing an Atlantic review that found the CDC’s own studies did not justify ongoing mask recommendations for children.
- Jean-Pierre deflected by attacking the Trump administration, then declared the CDC “the experts” who “use science” without addressing the specific evidence presented.
- When pressed on the data, Jean-Pierre acknowledged “I know you’re asking me about data” and then declined to discuss it.
- Jean-Pierre retreated to calling CDC recommendations “guidelines, not mandates” — a significant shift from the administration’s earlier position of treating CDC guidance as authoritative.
- The exchange occurred the same day Jean-Pierre defended Biden’s own mask removal at the Medal of Honor ceremony, creating a direct contrast between the president’s behavior and the masking rules being recommended for schoolchildren.